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February 27, 2008

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Sparkster

Thanks for the great work and word last night. I am so excited to see the fresh imagination and catalyst that will come from our work together!

I appreciate your golden nugget; we do minimize that "essential" Lutheran point. Participative prcoesses pick this up. It takes a bit of adaptive change (DNA) to release people, but I think that comes in process. Can this only really happen though in mission development situations where new DNA is introduced?

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Tim Thompson

Well, I agree that the P of AB is the motherlode of underused gold, but I think it's a lot more explosive than most people think! (Sorry for mixing metaphors there.) The idea that all believers are capable and authorized for all "priestly" ministry - including sacraments - has always been in our theology but only rarely apparent in our practice. Instead, we've reserved vast swaths of ministry to professional clergy (like me) "for the sake of good order." Well, I've finally begun to ask "How's that working out for us?" Put another way, since we don't seem to be doing well at all in either making disciples or growing them, then what exactly is good about our order?

Thinking about those answers led me finally to look at the house church movement, an expression of the Priesthood of All if ever there was one. Plenty of room for unhelpful order there, too, I'm sure! But I have a lot of hope that the results will be better. And truthfully, I think that Lutheranism at its core is built for both house church and the postmodern world. But that's another topic. ;)

Don McClure

At the nuts and bolts level, I have seen this practiced best by the pastor of my former church who freely, deliberately, and consistently gives permission (and provides support) for lay people to do ministry, so long as it is aligned with the mission of the church. The BEST staff are grown from volunteers with a passion for delivering on their personal mission. Many of our evangelical friends are quite deliberate about building staff from volunteers who grow their personal ministries into part time or full time jobs. We Lutherans can (and should) learn from them.

edwardswolff

You are probably correct in identifying "the priesthood" as the "golden nuggest." I responded Tuesday evening with "Theology of the Cross." Without getting into Luther's Heidelburg Disposition, I think it could be said that through the cross we "get real." Being in transition ministry, I see that as a real challenge and a necessity for congregations if they want to participate in the reign of God. The dynamics of the pastor in control keeps all of us from being real. More could be said.

Kelly Fryer

Ed - Nice choice. Wish I would have thought of it.

Don - Agreed. My best staff members always came from within. This approach assumes, of course, that discipling is going on in the congregation and that leaders are intentional about growing leaders. This isn't something many mainline churches are good at but, you're right, it's standard operating procedure in lots of Evangelical churches.

Tim - Explosive is right! When I teach on the "5 guiding principles" (from my book the L Word) it's always #4 that gives clergy the biggest shock - Everybody Has Something To Offer. Lay folks, of course, love it. And speaking of Luther and housechurches, check out my post on the 3 types of worship services Luther said we ought to offer. The ideal form, he said, is the housechurch.

http://reclaimingthefword.typepad.com/reclaiming_the_f_word/getting_worship_right.html

Kevin - Well, it's probably easiest in mission development...except that most of those are being led by pastors, who often have the hardest time of all getting their heads around this idea! My hunch: It's something we're all going to have to learn together.

Tim Thompson

I'm delighted to see you're spreading the word about Luther's preference for house church as an ideal form! I first encountered that and was appropriately stunned back in about 2000 when my wife Kisten picked it up at a small groups conference. Since then I've brought it up and shared the reference to a lot of people and have yet to meet one who had learned of it in seminary.

I also like to note for people the reasons Luther gave for not implementing it at the time: he didn't see anyone who wanted it, and he didn't have people ready to lead it. Seems to me that both of those pieces are now in place big time, so I for one and going to see what I can do to fire it up. (I also think that Lutheranism is built to fly in the postmodern world, once you scrape off it's Modernity-linked encrustations. Link that with a house church form and it sure feels explosive to me!)

If you find anyone else who's feeling drawn (or shoved)in this direction, please send them my way for conversation suport!

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